make because the consequences deadly. that is all the time we have left. time now for greta van susteren. thank you for being with us. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- greta: speaker pelosi is going to box steny hoyer's years. did you hear what he said? the president is getting slammed with some new numbers. protesters take to the streets over health care. this is no town hall. angry people calling for a boycott of whole foods because the ceo of the company dared to disagree with our president. did we do all we could, the libyan terrorist blew up 270 people and now the killer is home. he is relaxing with his family. he only served 8 years.

that is less than 14 days for every person that he killed. john bolten tells us how this happened. first, the democrats seem to be tripping over themselves in the house. nancy pelosi said she cannot pass a health-care bill without a public auction. today, steny hoyer doesn't change. he says the public option might have to go. who was on first? the inability of the leaders to get on the same page can be nothing but bad news for president obama. according to a new poll, people are losing confidence that the president will make the right decisions for our country. 60% of the people thought he would make the right decisions at 100 days. now, that has dropped down to 49%. only 49% are confident he will make the right decisions.

is this a natural ups and downs for a president or big trouble? joining us is the vice president of news for fox. >> nice to be your. -- to be her. greta: what is the deal between steny hoyer and nancy pelosi? >> this is not good. they're coming out with diametrically opposed it and on the crucial element of the week which was the public option. withiit is hard to make the argt they're republicans should be blamed when democrats who have the majority, cannot agree with each other. even the head of the service employees international union came out, we cannot blame

republicans. we have seen this spiral out of control. greta: speaker pelosi pass to have the public option. >> she says the bill won't pass. greta: what is medicare? is this a public auction. >> this is a government program. greta: it has been a good program. >> many people think it has been a good program. conservatives argue that you should privatize medicare and that would solve some of the problems and health care system. the public auction is a government run program that would be not just for seniors but for anyone and the fear

among conservatives is that it would lead to a complete takeover of health care. >>greta: only 49% are confident that obama will make the right decision. is this routine or will this have him on edge? >> this is more than routine. this is a free fall. let's be honest. august has been a cruel month. you saw this president coming to office riding a wave of euphoria. the great hopes and expectations. suddenly, it is all gone. greta: so what. does this matter. >> it does matter. when jimmy carter took office,

he tried to get a stimulus package and it crippled his presidency. he became a one-term president. everyone knows that you have a certain amount of political capital and good will when you come into office. the trick is to use it in a fast enough time frame so that you have political capital left. the problem is that obama used so much of it up with the stimulus bill. president bush had his own stimulus bill and he spent the first half. obama really put a lot of political capital into that, and on the stimulus bill -- the enormous stimulus bill. greta: there was so much enthusiasm. >> what you have seen is a lurching. every day, a radical new idea. the stake, let's take out the public option. the stake, let's split the bill

in a key. -- to this dthis day, let's taka public auction, let's split the bill in half. greta: thank you. president obama doesn't like to talk to us that maybe he is listening. >> last year, you recall that the republicans had just nominated their vice- presidential candidate and the media was obsessed with it and cable was 24 hours a day, obama has lost his mojo. instead of being preempted tied with the polls and with the pundits and with the cable chatter, what you consistently did is that you kept working. >> they don't want to be constructive, they want to get in the usual political fights. sometimes that is fed by

the table chatter. i have one station that is entirely devoted to attacking my administration. >> i assume you're talking about fox. >> that is a pretty big megaphone. >> i don't find most table chatter very persuasive. b this. -- w this -- wwfthis is like ww. greta: we have links santorum with us. >> he is talking about fox. this reminds me of what hugo chavez was doing down as venezuela trying to shut down the voice of opposition. this is not good. greta: we have some people who

are politically conservative. we have a lot of people who are just gathering news. >> i don't think anyone will say you have been brutal on barack obama. you have not been brutal, you have made the case for and against him. he is overreacting. he is a very thin skinned president. he is not used to being criticized. some are just holding the line when he is crossing the line. his reaction is unprofessional. greta: how do we become the bad guys? >> it is not the package of the bill but the substance. he is trying to sell something. he is selling a product that does not exist. he says you can keep your doctor, your plan, no abortion, this will save money.

this will spend one trillion dollars. the american people is looking at this thanks to conservative radio, fox news, the internet, they are getting the facts. they say, mr. president, this is not agree with what is happening in the senate and the congress. it is not going anywhere. greta: it seems in the house that the democrats have a very different opinion. steny hoyer says the public option might have to go and the speaker says it has this day. theoretically, they don't need the republicans. >> a speaker is in her ivory castle. they are a lot more removed from the rank and file members. the speaker is down in the floor.

they probably telling the leader that they are not happy about this. steny hoyer is starting to reflect what he is hearing from his members. greta: it would be more politically astute as they sat down in the same room and it got the story straight. we are talking about this because how can you miss it. it would be better if they got the same page. >> how many times do you see them had a really great and wonderful relationship? they both see themselves as the leader. i think that there are some problems there. it is being reflected. nancy is an ideologue, steny hoyer is more pragmatic. he is trying to craft something more plausible. greta: the president is trying

to herd cats. >> obama is siding with nancy pelosi. greta: if he does not get the other ones, he is cooked. >> i agree. they are clearly on a pass on doing this alone. they will go it alone in the house and they will beat the living daylights of every democratic senator and they will get this done. that sounds like the plan. greta: thank you. protesters are boycotting wholefoods. don't speak out against the health care plan. that is what the ceo did and now the store chain is taking heat. he murdered 270 people, many of them americans, he had no compassion for them. the scots can your body wash nourish this deeply?

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>> he is accusing the public option of being a socialist. >> i heard the debate and my head almost blew up. how could he say such on in same thing, only because he disagrees, he is bad. i don't know what is happening to this country. this is probably the worst thing because this is a good constructive citizen who is supplying jobs for americans, who is giving health care, and these people out here are deciding that because he doesn't like their plan, they are going to try to destroy his business. >> he has a right to accept the consequences of his actions and by stating a position in

opposition to a large amount of its customer base -- >> if everyone shopped at whole foods and 8 the way he is recommending -- and ate the way he is recommending, we would the inventoin better shape. greta: people protesting at whole foods. they are furious at the ceo of whole foods. he wrote an op-ed about health care reform. he has some angry customers on his hands. we are joined by steven moore. i like it when people boycott and show us the consumer restraint, this one i don't agree with because this guy suggests another idea and some people are mad at him. >> i would defend their right to do it. i agree, people have the right to boycott companies if it

bothers their conscience what the company or what the ceo is doing. i wish the conservatives would do that more often when ceo's speak out in a more liberal direction. here is the part of the story that you touched on, this company is very liberal family. they sell organic foods and health foods and they provide health insurance for their workers. it is actually a store that is populated by people who are very health-conscious. this is a good corporate citizen country yet the left is lashing out. greta: he said that we need health care reform and he gave an idea. here is a guy, he was not criticizing the president. he was not shutting down people in his own store, he simply said based on his experience, here

is my idea. this has led people on fire. >> that's right. to what he has been able to do with his company, he provides health insurance for his workers. he wants to use that model. this is cutting costs and providing insurance for his workers. it is a roddick that a company that is doing the right thing -- it is ironic that a company that is doing the right thing is being hit with this. i know the ceo personally. i have debated him. he is very much in line with the liberal thinking on many issues but because he speaks his mind on this issue, he is seen as a villain. greta: i think that he cut his on corporate pay in 2007 to $1 a year.

he donates his dividends to charities. if you want to have an effective boycott, you can find someone that is a demon not just someone who has been good to his people and he comes up with a different idea and dearest to disagree. this is a dumb target. -- he comes up with a different idea and he dares to disagree. >> they want to keep anyone from speaking out. they don't want them to speak their mind. companies will fear that they will lose our customer base. here's the good news, there's no evidence whatsoever that the boycott is working. the stock took a slight hit when this was announced but it is increasing in the past week. the people of the stores say there has been no drop in business. so far, this boycott is not working and not affecting the bottom line. greta: this guy started this grocery store in 1979 out of his

crotgarage? >> that's correct, this is a great entrepreneurial story. he opened a health food store and now it is the biggest health food chain in america. greta: thank you. why onaren't our politicians doing this? we went to a system that works. what is so different? we will go and see. ambassador john bolton is here to go on the record about a disgrace, how is it that a libyan intelligence officer libyan intelligence officer blows up

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greta: "on the record," is checking out different health care system to see what works.

our producers went to a hospital in wisconsin to investigate. >> with the raging debate over health care, town halls across america, have we lost sight of delivering better care while cutting costs? we visited a place that does just that. one of your biggest innovations is collaborative care, what is that? >> the nurse doesn't have a special plan of care, they all work together to deliver the best care for the lowest cost. >> how does this work? >> within the first 90 minutes of a patient admission, the pharmacist, the physician, the nurse --

>> we see them coming in. >> they will all into the room. in many cases, the patient's family. this team will actually do the exam and they will develop a plan as a team. >> what do you do? >> i am the pharmacist. >> i am a nurse and i use the care plan as a map to guide the patient through. >> i am a physician. i kind of direct the team, introduce myself among make sure that the patient is comfortable and their immediate needs are taken care. we examine the patient together and we go over any abnormal findings. we have a folder and then they can see who is taking care of them, what tests we have, what the major things are and when they can get out of here. >> as a patient, do you feel

better that you are getting this kind of care? >> 0, yes. this is very well organized. this cuts down mine hospital time. >> people were spending up to three hours a shift looking for supplies. we came up with the idea to have all the supplies in need. no longer am i running down the hall, they are right here. >> we have a number of patients that we care for and if you improve their total health, and other words, there diabetes is better-managed, they have fewer complications, we get paid more. think how that might change the way that we deliver care. we need to move to a population health type of payment system whether it it is a public plan are private and.

-- or a private plan. >> if all the hospitals in the country model to their programs after yours, you could save in 10 years $400 billion in medicare inpatient along. >> that's correct. what we have found is that as we have redesigned in patient care using these tools that i have been describing, we have seen a 25% reduction in the total cost of care. >> how does your program deliver care? what makes it so efficient? >> well, what we are constantly doing is asking the question -- does every step deliver better value to the patient? we actually have these maps, we will map out every single step. >> congressman, your doctoandyoa

doctor. what is wrong with the health care debate? >> everyone says, let's fix what is broken and improve on what we have. >> we are here in one of the 23 primary care facilities, the waiting time is cut down. the process is very efficient. the patients are getting better care. >> these visual tracking centers are present everywhere in every clinical and apartment. they track exactly what you would see on a production floor which is quality, people, service, delivery, productivity. what we're doing is measuring performance on a minute by minute basis in terms of how long it takes to get lab results, for example. how are we doing on quality

performance? how are we doing on the productivity of the work force? >> the idea that no longer will an insurance company be able to does commit against you because of a pre-existing condition -- be able to discriminate against you because of a pre-existing condition, this came from wisconsin. >> major institutions like john hopkins and ucla have implemented programs just like this. why aren't the people in washington coming here to take a look at it? greta: you can see more of our visit on our blog. a murderer kills 2.70 innocent people -- 270 innocent people. now he has been returned to his

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greta: if this doesn't make you angry, nothing will. this libyan terrorist is a murderer. now he is town with his family. he is responsible for killing 270 people. -- now he is home with his family. he went to prison but he was let go after 8 years. he just got sent home in a jet and the scottish excuse, they

feel sorry for him. they say he is dying of cancer so they think that he should be in his own home with family and friends. do you think so? joining us is the former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, john bolton. >> how are you? greta: fine, thank you. is there something else going on behind the scenes? >> there is speculation that this was a decision not made by the justice authorities but by prime minister gordon brown. the speculation centers on whether there is a commercial deal with the government of libya that this might be in the works and this is designed to facilitate. this is absolutely unbelievable that this guy is in libya today. maybe it is just a defect in the scottish justice ministry.

greta: i was disappointed by our response. the president and the secretary of state did something. could we have done more? could we have done something to make them extradite him here to answer charges? >> i don't think so. this goes back to the clinton administration when al megrahi was first taken. we were arguing who would charge him first. whether it would be the u.k., scotland, or us. the clinton administration agreed that scotland could carry the prosecution and that was a very important decision for many reasons, one is that they don't have the death penalty. if we had prosecution in this country, we would not be talking

about clemency. this is because of our agreement against double jeopardy. i think this is it for him. greta: i thought that that has something to do with us trying someone twice. this is light being tried for something in a state court and a federal court. i don't see how double jeopardy prevents us here unless we cut a side deal. why would we have done that? >> i have to go back and look at the original deal. we might have given up our prosecutorial authority in order to make sure that he was only tried in one place. i think of that was a mistake but what you see happening today is a further example of that mistake and an example of why treating terrorism as a common crime is a mistake. think of the president this sets for all of those detainees in

guantanamo when they're moved to facilities in the u.s. and they ask for humanitarian release. greta: you say this should not be treated as a criminal justice matter. -- we have enough diplomatic muscle that we could have gone -- don't we have announced diplomatic muscle that we could have gone to the u.k. or the scottish government and said that we don't want this guy released. don't we have that diplomatic muscle? >> absolutely. i want to know what we said to the government of the united kingdom. i put more responsibility on the u.k. authorities than on libya. what libya did does not surprise me. of course they will try to get him out of there. as long as he is in custody, he can reveal what he knows about libyan intelligence, other terrorist activities, who is responsible up to and including

more market coffethe leader of . this is incomprehensible. what is in comprehensible is that we are not more outraged. greta: khaddafi is coming to the u.s., tell me what his point happen with this? >> my guess is tha-- tell me who happen with this? >> i am sure people will be there to greet him and let him know what their feelings are. under the headquarters agreement that the u.s. signed for the u.n., he, just like president

ahmadinejad, can come and participate in u.n. business. when he arrives, he will be given diplomatic community, he will be allowed to speak at the u.n. hopefully he will not be allowed to travel outside the confines of manhattan. greta: why is this killer such a celebrity in libya? why did he get a hero's welcome? >> the libyans have never really conceded that they were responsible for him. that is really what i think we should have been doing to go back to putting pressure on the british, i don't see much evidence that we did anything except to go through the motions. that is a subject for congressional hearings. let's hear from the secretary of state what she and her colleagues did.

greta: you talked about the settlement, it was $2.7 billion. it seems to me that if this is chump change, you can do anything to get rid of a problem. this sounds like a guilty conscience. >> that is correct. he got a lot in exchange for the settlement and giving up nuclear weapons. no doubt about that. greta: i have visions of people coming home for christmas, then they are disintegrated. that is cruel. i don't know how they can release him. >> this is a disgrace. greta: thank you. are things getting a little bit too cozy in washington, who is shelling out $24 million to make health care reform advertisements? advertisements? body wash from olay.

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strengthen again. dangerous rip currents are expected on saturday. families of the americans killed in the 1988 lockerbie bombing are planning a protest. they are outraged over the release. he is the only man convicted of murdering their loved ones. he suffers from terminal cancer. i am lauren sevan, we now have back to on the record. executions. -- of the report is due out monday but there is a preview on monday. greta: $24 million, this is a lot of money to pay for health reform advertisements. who is shelling out the money? and joining us is the managing editor for "the washington

times." $24 million, who is behind these? >> of the american medical association, pharma, the trade association lobbying group for the drug companies. the service workers union and families usa. this organization has been in favor of health reform for a long time. these are groups that have banded together and they have the common purpose of supporting health reform. in general, it is to support president obama's health reform and to drum up support. >>greta: one of the places thats working with this is david axelrod's old company.

>> he founded the company. they are his friends. he is featured on a website. greta: they did that to him. >> he was bought out for $2 million. he will be paid over a few years. he will get $350,000 on december 31st. his son works there as the research director. the former campaign manager of the obama campaign is a senior adviser for the company. he is featured on the main page with a placard behind him for obama. greta: that is a lot of money for advertisements. these special interest groups have a lot of interest. >> there will be hundreds of millions dollarof dollars spentn

both sides. it is not just lobbyists taking people to lunch and putting hundred dollar bills. greta: we wish we were back to that. >> now, it is trying to get voters to lobby the lawmakers themselves. the way you do that is to buy commercials. these advertisements are often targeted to lawmakers who are on the fence. their districts, their states. we often see them on news channels like this because people who are very interested in policy and politics watch. they are trying to get people energized one way or the other. for example, just this coming week there will be a whole flight of advertisements that are anti health reform that will be running around martha's vineyard. greta: who is going to run

those? >> i don't know exactly and that is one of the problems with these kinds of ad campaigns. often, unless they disclose themselves, we don't know. in this case, we know who is behind it. this is interesting because they are betting that a support for health reform will actually help them, especially in the case of the drug companies. they think they have the deal with the president that the government will not impose price controls on drugs as part of health reform. the president might that be able to deliver to that. that is up to congress. greta: didn't you say the american medical association is in this? >> that's correct. greta: this might not be beneficial to doctors. they might get the short end of the stick. >> that's right. they hope that this will allow increases in reimbursements from the government. if that doesn't go up, they have

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